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Transcripts of Interviews with
child witnesses
Bart
Dogwood aged 6, 5th interview recorded 28
Oct 1992
(Names as used
in the book "A City Possessed"
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Q There was a trap in the
crèche?
A Mm.
Q Mm, what is a trap, what’s a
trap?
A Something that you fall down.
Q Something that you fall down?
A Mm,
you know what a trap is.
Q Yeah, yeah, I just, you know
how, you know me, I have to get kids, ask kids to explain to me in their
words because sometimes I might think that, oh, you’re talking about a
different thing, so I need you to tell me what you mean. So, so it was a trap
that you fall down. And so how, what made you go down the trap,
did you, well did you go down the trap or not?
A Mm,
yeah.
Q Mm.
A Peter made us.
Q Peter made you go down the
trap?
A Mm.
Q Who did he make, who’s us?
A Um,
kids that were there.
Q Mm. Which kids?
A Um,
me and [name], [female name, K] and, um, [male name] and [female name].
Q [Male name] and [female
name]. And, um, who else was there? Peter? Was there any, where were the
other crèche teachers?
A Um, ah, Peter’s mum was there,
and Peter’s mum was there, and Marie, Gaye and Jan and Debbie.
Q And so you did go? Peter made
you go down the trap door?
A Mm.
Q And what, what happened in
the trap, what, what, so you went, you went in the trap?
A Mm.
Q And then what happened?
A We went to room 20.
Q Mm, how do you know it’s
called room 20?
A Cos
I could see a 2 0 on the door.
Q When, when did you see 2 0 on
it?
A When I was, when I was about
four.
Q Mm mmm,
cos I know that you, you’ve been into the crèche building lately haven’t you?
A Yeah.
Q Yeah. Who did you go there
with?
A Mum.
Q Mm mmm
and had you been there before? You know where you went with Mum. Had you been
there before or not?
A Yep, yeah, with Peter.
Q Okay.
A …
Q So what happened in room 20?
A Um there were papers in there
and Peter, um, held us up and was yelling because Peter had told them … and
there was a hook that the cages went onto the ceiling and Peter’s mother
hanged us up on the ceiling.
Q And she hanged you up on the
ceiling?
A Mm.
Q What were the cages like?
A Um, they were big.
Q Mm.
A And
then they ran across like this [draws picture].
Q Right and what was in the cages?
A Us.
Q Yeah, how many us, how many?
A There was about five cages
and one children in each cage.
Q Okay and there was a big hook
and you went up and and?
A There was a ladder and there
was a hook on the ceiling for the cage to, um, fit on.
Q And where did the ladder go?
A Up to the ceiling.
Q Yeah and what was on the
ceiling?
A Hooks that you put up the
cages with.
Q So let’s draw that, aye. Can
we draw that?
A Hah.
Q I’ll put my picture of the
gondola over there. Draw me, um, the hook on the ceiling. Draw the ceiling.
A Ah,
oh, the ceilings …
Q Yeah.
A And there was a hook like
that.
Q Right.
A And under the cage there was,
um, a, it was.
Q We’ll call that the ceiling,
mm mmm.
A And um … the cage.
Q Yep.
A And on the cage there was
something like that.
Q Yeah.
A And
that fits onto that.
Q Oh I see and who hooked you
up there?
A Peter’s mother.
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