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Transcripts of Interviews with
child witnesses
Eli
Laurel aged 6, 2nd interview recorded 27
Apr 1992
(Names as used
in the book "A City Possessed"
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Q And we’ll talk about what you
have come back, we’ll just start with what you’ve come back to tell me today.
A Yeah.
Q So can you can you begin with
that stuff?
A Um.
Q The easiest thing to start
with.
A Yep. Um, ah, don’t really
know what to say.
Q Mmm, what’s it about? What’s
it?
A The crèche.
Q Yeah, it’s about the crèche
and what about the crèche? What happened at the crèche?
A Um stuff that, um, things
that P, um, Peter was do, um, was doing a lie.
Q Yeah, Peter, and Peter was
what?
A Um, a li, a, um, telling persons
a lie.
Q Peter was telling lies?
A Yep.
Q Who was he telling lies to?
A Um, lots of persons.
Q Yeah, what, adults or kids?
A Um, kids.
Q Yeah and what was the lie
that he was telling?
A Um, he said, um, if you tell
on him you’ll go to jail or you, or you, or your parents might go to jail or
you might die.
Q Yeah, righ,t okay, So Peter
told those lies and?
A Yeah.
Q And, ah, you said that he was
doing mean things to you.
A Yes.
Q Mmm.
A Well not me but other kids.
Q Right, okay, so what was the
mean things he was doing?
A Um dipping people in the
ponds and.
Q Yep, he was dipping people in
the ponds and?
A Um, that’s all I know, I
think.
Q Right, I think, um, perhaps I
could help you. Ah cos I remember some things and we talked about mean things
to do with penises?
A Yep.
Q So what was what was that all
about?
A Um doing wees in people’s
face.
Q Yeah, right, how now did you
know he was doing wees in people’s face?
A Because I saw him.
Q Okay, now what I would like
to know is which children or was that children or adults he was?
A Um children.
Q Yeah, so which children did
you see him do wees in their faces?
A Um, don’t, not, um, I can’t
remember.
Q Were they your friends or
not?
A Ah, no. They’re other kids at
the crèche.
Q Yeah.
A Little ones and big ones.
Q Little ones and big ones?
A Yeah.
Q So where were did it happen,
which room?
A Um in the toilet room.
Q In the toilet, so I’ll write
down toilet here. Okay, I’ll just. Could you just lift up for a minute and
I’ll just, move that bit of paper along there so I can do writing, okay.
A Yes.
Q So it was the toilet room?
A Yep.
Q That’s what that word says.
Um and who was the littlest kid you saw it happen to?
A Ah, I don’t know.
Q We had little.
A …
Q What?
A Oh, I don’t know.
Q Little kids and big kids.
A Yep.
Q Right, okay, and, ah,
whereabouts were the kids when he did wees in their mouth, faces?
A Um in the toilet.
Q Yeah, what, were they
standing up or sitting down or?
A Sitting, um, sitting, sitting
down.
Q Oh, on?
A Toilet.
Q On the toilet and where were
their pants?
A Um they had them down.
Q Mm mmm. How did they get
down?
A Um they pulled them down.
Q Yeah the kids did or?
A Um, no, um, here, they’re
doing wees.
Q They’re doing wees, yeah.
A Yeah.
Q And um.
A Always pull them down when
you do wees.
Q Yeah, course you do.
Otherwise you just do it in your pants, don’t you?
A Yeah.
Q So, um, so Peter, so how big
are the toilets like?
A Ah.
Q Whereabouts were you standing
when or whereabouts were you when you?
A At the toilet doors.
Q Right.
A Looking through them.
Q Looking through the doors?
A Yep.
Q So who was the first kid you
saw that happen to?
A Lots of kids.
Q The first one, who was the
first one you saw it happen to?
A Don’t know. Can’t remember.
Q Mmm. What about the last kid
you saw it happen to?
A Can’t remember.
Q Mmm, um, so shall I think the
last time you did tell me some names of some friends at crèche, some people
at the crèche?
A Yeah.
Q You told me about [name].
A Yeah.
Q Yeah, did it happen to [name]
or not?
A Um, yes, yes.
Q How did you know that?
A Because I saw it.
Q Yeah.
A Him do wees in [name]’s face.
Q Did you?
A Yep.
Q And what did [name] do?
A Um, I don’t know.
Q What did you feel like when
you saw it happen to the to [name]?
A Ah, don’t know.
Q Did you feel happy or sad?
A Don’t know.
Q What?
A Happy and sad.
Q Happy and sad?
A Yep.
Q What was the sad bit?
A Um, don’t know. Sad bit was
the happy bit.
Q What?
A And the, um, sad bit.
Q What did you, so, [E], what?
A Yeah.
Q How do you feel about it now?
A Aa, good.
Q Mmm.
A Good because we’ve telled.
Q Because you’ve told?
A Yep.
Q Yeah, good because you’ve
told.
A Yep.
Q Well how do you feel about
Peter?
A Um, bad.
Q Mmm. Do you know anyone else
who does stuff like to kids?
A Ah, no, burglars.
Q Burglars do it?
A Burglars do it.
A Yep.
Q Mmm, anyone else?
A Um, no, don’t know, just big
bullies.
Q Big bullies do that stuff.
A Yeah.
Q Okay so what so how many
times did you see it happen to [name]?
A I don’t know, just one time.
Q And where, was [name] a boy
or a girl?
A A girl.
Q And where was she?
A Um, in the toilets.
Q Mmm and what did you see
happen to [name]?
A Um Peter doing wees in his
face.
Q Yeah and how did the wees
come out of his penis?
A It just came out.
Q Mmm, where were his hands?
A Um.
Q When they?
A Don’t know.
Q Came out of his penis?
A Don’t, I can’t remember.
Q So was the toilet, so you
were standing at the door?
A Yeah.
Q So did, did you see Peter’s
back or Peter’s front?
A Um his back and his front.
Q Right so how come you saw both?
A Um, because I did.
…
Q Mmm, okay, and, ah, so I
think also what, well, I mean, I know that last week you did tell me that
Peter did some mean things to you too.
A Yeah, mmm.
Q Yeah and how many times,
well, what was the thing that, do you remember what you told me?
A Um, no.
Q Mmm, well last week you told
me that Peter did a mean thing.
A Yep.
Q And that, um, one of the
things that he’s done to you is that he um?
A Didn’t do it to me.
Q Right because I think you
told me. Well you did tell me that last week it did happen to you.
A Oh yeah.
Q That thing there, that.
A What.
Q The penis in your face.
A Yeah, it did.
Q It did happen to you?
A Yeah.
Q Mmm, so what, what, what do
you feel like when, when you think about that stuff?
A Um, good.
Q Good? What makes it feel
good?
A Because I told the teacher.
Q Oh, because you told, yeah.
What about having to talk about it and remember that it happened to you?
A Um, good.
Q Yeah and how many times did
that happen to you?
A Um, one.
Q Mmm and when the penis went
in your face.
A Yeah.
Q What did it do?
A Um, it went into my mouth.
Q Yeah and it tasted?
A Yucky.
Q Anything else.
A Um, no, just yucky.
Q Yeah. And what when it went
in your mouth, what happened?
A Um.
Q Next?
A Um, he stopped doing it. I
went and told the teacher.
Q Mm mmm. And what went in your
mouth to be yucky? I mean the penis went in your mouth, did the penis?
A Yeah and there was wees.
Q And what?
A And the wees.
Q The wees went in your mouth?
A And the penis.
Q Yeah and what did you do with
the wees in your mouth.
A Um, I swallowed it.
Q Mmm what did that make you
feel like?
A Yucky.
Q Any other feelings, [E]?
A No.
Q Mmm, so sometimes you say that
that doesn’t, that didn’t happen to you.
A Yeah.
Q Yeah, what makes you say
that?
A Oh, I don’t know. I just
sometimes forget.
Q Sometimes you forget.
A Yep.
Q Yeah, is that something, does
it make it easier when you forgot or harder?
A Ah harder.
Q It makes it?
A Harder.
Q Harder?
A Yep.
Q What, what what’s the hard
part?
A Um, don’t know
Q Mmm. Um, so, um, because I
guess the other thing I need to clear up with you is um.
A What?
Q That Mum thought you said to
her that it happened lots of times.
A Na, um, yeah, but not lots of
times to me.
Q Oh I see. So it happened to
you once but it happened lots of times to kids?
A Yep.
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