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Transcripts of Interviews with
child witnesses
Kari
Lacebark aged 6,
5th interview recorded 28 Oct 1992
(Names as used
in the book "A City Possessed"
)
A And Peter’s mother just
kicked me and hit me like this. She kicked me and hit me.
Q And whereabouts did that
happen? Whereabouts were you when Peter’s mum kicked you and hit you?
A Peter’s mum’s place.
Q Mm, how did you get there?
How did you get to Peter’s mother’s place?
A In the white van.
Q Who drove?
A Peter’s mother.
Q Mm.
A It was a truth, it was.
Q Yeah, it was the truth. And
who, who did, who went with you … to Peter’s mother’s place? Who went with
you?
A I can’t remember.
Q Did kids go or just adults?
A Just I did and adults.
Q And.
A And Marie and Gaye and Debbie.
That’s all.
Q Marie and Gaye and Debbie
went with you?
A Yeah, that’s all I have to
tell you because that’s all I can remember.
Q And what made Peter’s mother
hit and kick you?
A I have no idea.
Q How many times did she hit
you?
A 17.
Q How many times did she?
A Each day.
Q How many days did she kick
you?
A And 17 days a week.
Q And what did the women
teachers, what did Marie and Gaye and Debbie do?
A Can’t remember.
Q Well, were they there when
Peter’s mother kicked you or not?
A No.
Q Who was there when she kicked
you?
A Um, well, let me see, let me
see.
Q Get Peter’s mother and …
again, where are they?
A And that’s all.
Q Where was Peter when Pete’s
mother kicked you?
A He wasn’t there.
Q Where was he?
A He wasn’t there. He was at
the crèche. Well, I wish I can go because that’s all I can remember.
Q Mm, what’s it feel like
having to remember these things?
A Not very good but I can’t
even remember anything much now.
Q Mm.
A Cos I’ve told you.
Q Mm.
A I’ve forgotten it all. I am
telling the truth.
Q Mm mmm.
A It is.
Q Yep, hey … Um, can I just ask
you a few more questions about Peter’s mother?
A One more because I’m getting
sick.
Q How?
A I don’t feel very so well.
Q How did you know it was his
mother?
A I just did.
Q Yeah and, um, how, how did
you know that though? What made you thought it was his mother?
A Peter told me.
Q And, and his, Peter’s
mother’s house?
A Mm.
Q Who lives there with her?
A No one.
Q Mm mmm, what does his,
Peter’s mother’s house look like?
A I can’t remember, I can’t
remember, [female name].
Q Okay, that’s all right. I’m
just thinking, if I don’t say anything it’s just cos I’m thinking and.
A …
Q Yeah, okay, and …
A What?
Q Did anything else, did
Peter’s mother do anything else to you?
A No, oh, oh, oh, no.
Q Okay, so show me where she
hit you and kicked you. Which parts of your body did she kick you?
A Can I show with the dolls?
Q Yep. Get, could you get one
of, get that big doll over there, or one of those baby dolls and show me.
A You’ve got some new dolls.
Q Yep those are the new dolls.
A He touched me there.
Q Who did?
A There.
Q That’s a boy doll, isn’t it?
A … go and get one. Is this the
girl?
Q Yep.
A Touched me there.
Q Who did?
A He kicked me and hit me there
[indicates groin area on doll].
Q Peter’s mother did.
A Yep.
Q Whereabouts were your clothes
when, um?
A Down on the floor, down on
the floor …
Q Where, where were her clothes
when she kicked you and hit you there?
A She had them on.
Q And … what, could you just,
you know the part you pointed to, tell me what’s the name of that part?
A Vagina.
Q And where, where were the
other crèche teachers when Peter’s mother?
A I can’t remember. At the
crèche. I said that a million times.
Q Mm mm.
A That’s all I can remember,
[female name].
Q Mm.
A I want to go and see my
mumma.
Q Yeah, okay, um, yes, I know
you, I can hear you. You do want to go and see your mummy. I know that. Um.
A Cos that’s all I have to.
Q Yeah.
A That’s all I can remember,
that is I’m sick of.
Q I think, can I just ask? Are
you getting sick of it?
A Yep.
Q Mm, cou, could you just sit
down. I’ve just got one question.
A Just one more.
Q Okay, you know how you’ve
told me that Peter’s mother hit and kicked your vagina.
A Mm.
Q Like that. Sit down here for
a minute. And Peter’s mother, she she’s a woman, isn’t she?
A Mm.
Q Cos mothers are women, aren’t
they?
A Yes.
Q Now I’ve heard, um, have you,
have any other women ever done anything like that to your vagina before or
not?
A No, I can’t remember. Oh,
well, that’s the last question.
Q Okay, could you stay in here
for a little minute while I take a wee break and I’ll come back?
A No.
Q I’ll just stay. I’ll just go
away for 30 seconds and then I’ll come back. I just need to go and check with
[female name] about something.
A No, why can’t I go? I want go
home to my mummy.
Q Mm, okay, all right. Well, I
think, um.
A Please.
Q Maybe we should stop here
because you’ve had enough. Now if.
A I want to go.
Q Do, do you think that, um,
you need to come back and tell me anything more or have you told me
everything?
A I think I have to come back.
Q How much have you told, how
much?
A No, I don’t think I need to
come back, I mean.
Q How much have you told me?
Have you told me this much, that much or this much, that much?
A Mm, I’ve told you that much.
Q So how much more is there to
tell me?
A None more.
Q Okay.
A Please, now can I go?
Q All right, okay, well, I
think we’ll, we will stop there.
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