The Christchurch Civic Creche Case

News Reports Index

1999 July-Dec



Waikato Times
July 6 1999

Too many interviews, says lawyer for Ellis
NZPA

Children who alleged creche worker Peter Ellis sexually abused them should have been interviewed only once, the Court of Appeal was told today.

Ellis is appealing his conviction on 13 counts. He was jailed for 10 years in 1993.

On the second day of his second appeal, Ellis' lawyer Judith Ablett-Kerr said research now showed a clearer understanding of children's development than in 1992.

New Zealand guidelines in 1997 set out how children should be interviewed.

"After the first interview with parents, even with the knowledge in 1992, the Special Services Unit and police should have stopped parents from further interviewing," Mrs Ablett-Kerr said.

At least three of the allegations that led to convictions were made during second interviews with children.

Two other allegations came from third and fourth interviews.

"(They) should have had only one interview and only in exceptional circumstances should (they) have had more."

There was a general consensus that information from the first interview was more reliable, Mrs Ablett-Kerr said.

Despite interviews with children revealing that they had had extensive interviews with parents; "there was little or nothing done to stop parental interviewing".

Experts at Ellis' six-week trial told the court they could distinguish between false and true allegations by the language children used, their grammar and phraseology.

However, Mrs Ablett-Kerr said: "The jury was given incorrect information that experts could tell the difference between true and false."

She said the experts had not "deliberately misled" the court, but "the information was not in front of the court." (Proceeding)