The Christchurch Civic Creche Case

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1999 July-Dec



The Evening Post
July 7 1999

Child evidence contaminated - Ellis lawyer
NZPA

Claims by Christchurch children that creche worker Peter Ellis sexually abused them were unreliable because their parents had asked them suggestive questions, the Appeal Court was told yesterday.

Ellis has been in jail since he was convicted on 13 charges of sexual abuse in 1993. His second appeal began in Wellington on Monday.

Ellis' lawyer, Judith Ablett-Kerr, QC, said the main area of contamination of children's evidence was parents.

Many of the parents talked to their children who attended the Civic Creche Child Care Centre where Ellis worked and where some of the events allegedly took place.

"The main thrust of the argument is that parental contamination and contamination from support people makes this case so unreliable," Mrs Ablett-Kerr said.

"It affects the reliability of children if information is fed from parents or they have material that affects the way children saw their contact with Ellis."

She said research now showed that mass allegation cases were extremely high risk. Interviewers who spoke to the children should have investigated possible areas of contamination, including what was happening in their homes.

"It is a remarkable coincidence that three children who reported having baths with Ellis had bathed with their parents," Mrs Ablett-Kerr said.

In her submission she said she could show that all the children gave contaminated evidence because parents gave them the information, they had repeated interviews, and were open to suggestion.

She also said experts at the six-week trial failed to address the issues of suggestibility as it related to children.

Repeated interviewing led the children to accept the allegations they were making.

"One child was (formally) interviewed six times. I say that is a travesty," Mrs Ablett-Kerr said. "They allowed the child to come to accept allegations she was making.

"The more you ask, the more (children) accept the information."

Children should only have been interviewed once, as it was generally accepted now that information from the first interview was more reliable.

"Despite the fact that (formal) interviewing revealed children had extensive interviews with their parents, there was no follow-up to see if there was contamination," Mrs Ablett-Kerr said. "Nothing or little was done to stop parental interviewing."

Some of the allegations that eventually led to convictions came from second, third and fourth interviews with the children. Experts at the 1993 trial said they could distinguish between false and true allegations through language, grammar and phraseology used by the children.

Mrs Ablett-Kerr said this was untrue, as even experts themselves could not always determine the difference.

"The jury was given incorrect information by the expert."

One of the children used words that Mrs Ablett-Kerr said were unusual for a child of her age. The girl spoke of the clitoris and vulva.

The girl had access to a book about touching and had seen diagrams of boys' private parts. Mrs Ablett-Kerr said her language indicated the child was suggestible.

The hearing is before the full five-judge bench.

(Proceeding)