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Part 5    Relevance of the "Children's Evidence"
Complaints to the remaining convictions


5.1       Assuming the  claimed  shortcomings  in interviewing techniques and in the consideration given to possible contamination were established, that would have little final significance unless they were likely to have had a substantial and not merely technical or peripheral bearing on the proof of the charges of which the Petitioner stands convicted.

This question calls first for the consideration whether there was any other basis for the convictions than the children's evidence, and secondly an examination of the extent to which the different complainants were subjected to inappropriate interviewing or contaminating communications.



5.2        The Significance of the Children's Evidence

Though medical evidence was given in respect of two complainants, it was of minimal probative significance and may be put to one side.

However the Crown did call in aid two other factors as supporting the testimony of the children. Both appear to have gained some support from the Judge, and later from the Court of Appeal, and at least in part to have underlaid their express endorsements of the verdicts reached.

The first arose from the evidence of several fellow workers at the creche that the Petitioner had discussed with them unusual sexual practices of a similar nature to some of those the children alleged he had committed. In the course of his evidence the Petitioner, while contesting some details of the discussions reported, did accept that conversations of that general kind had occurred He said that his comments on those occasions had been made "for shock purposes If I could get a bite I would aim to get a bite, which I invariably got."

The Judge directed the jury that this evidence should not be used to point to a propensity on the part of the Petitioner but that it might show a "unique or unusual connection between the allegations between some of the children and the accused. . . . . . The Crown suggests to you that it would have been an amazing coincidence for the children to have complained about such practices unless what they were saying was true."

There is force in that argument. However, there is now evidence that there was at the time available to the Christchurch support group an American pamphlet on Ritual Child Abuse which listed a number of extraordinary events said to be indicia of such malpractice. Numbers of the events listed (as e.g. burying children in coffins, hanging them up in cages, injecting them with needles, defecation or urination upon the children and forcing them to ingest human waste, perpetrators wearing black robes and engaging in photography of abuse, and children going through marriage ceremonies) appear among the allegations made by the children. If the question is "Where did the allegations originate?" arguments based on coincidence point as strongly to the ritual abuse literature as to the Petitioner.

The second matter was the argument that it was unlikely that the children's explicit knowledge of sexual matters could have come otherwise than from experience of the abuse they were alleging. This had some support from Dr Zelas. When giving testimony under s23G she advised in respect of each of the complainants that he or she exhibited knowledge of a sexual nature which was inappropriate to the child's age, an example used more than once being knowledge of oral sex. There is both in the transcripts and the documents filed by the Petitioner evidence of explicit discussion of sexual matters during the investigation between parents and children. Also among the documents submitted is evidence of the presence of anatomically correct dolls at the creche and of one young girl, not a complainant against the Petitioner, disclosing a knowledge of oral sex.

None of the material noted above negates the arguments seen at trial and on the appeal as supporting the children's evidence. However it does in my view both reduce their cogency and at the same time reinstate the assessment of the reliability of the children's evidence as the critical issue.



5.3        Extent to Which Individual Complainants were Affected by Interviewing Technique and Contamination Factors

An examination of the record indicates that some complainants are more likely to have been affected than others.

Thus, considering first the case of the complainant G –

·         In terms of interview technique he was interviewed five times, there was repetitive questioning, often following an initial negative answer, there was repeated use of anatomically correct dolls, there was no attempt to "probe gently into inconsistencies", all those matters being contrary to the UK 1992 guidelines, or the 1996 NZ guidelines, or both  and no attempt to check the source or reliability of his increasingly bizarre allegations

·         In terms of the likelihood of contamination, it is now known that his mother disregarded requests that she avoid direct discussion of possible abuse with her son and did discuss such matters with him frequently, ("once or twice a week,") and also exchanged information about the developing investigation with other mothers.

·         In terms of other allegations made by G which were not put before the jury, the videotapes of the third and fifth interviews, which were not played, expanded both the numbers of persons said to be involved in the abuse and the places where it was said to have occurred    The last tape named for the first time two workers at the creche, neither of whom was at any stage the subject of a charge, as the principal offenders in a large group which thrust needles up his penis until it bled and then repeatedly pushed burning paper "up (his) bum"

G's credibility was considered by the Judge for the purposes of the s347 application by three of the female staff in relation to a charge in which they and the Petitioner were jointly charged with sexual abuse. It was only in his fourth interview that G claimed the women had been present at the relevant time At p8 of Oral Ruling 3 it was noted that –

"It is common ground that child G was spoken to at length and in detail by his mother about the abuse; that he was interviewed on a number of occasions, at least 5; that he had been subject to other pressures such as his parents' separation, that he has suffered from various mental health problems; and that he had received some therapy during and following the evidential interviews."

The first of three reasons given for granting the application was that –

"the evidence against them is of insufficient weight to justify their trial I have already indicated the three aspects of the evidence which, even if the witness is truthful, affect the weight to a significant degree In my opinion a verdict of guilty would be unsafe because there is insufficient evidence upon which a jury could properly reach a verdict of guilty."

Had the Judge had the additional material now available it may well have been that he would also have taken away from the jury those charges against the Petitioner which relied on G's evidence.

A similar exercise directed at the evidence of complainant F shows multiple causes for concern, less grave than in the case of G, but still substantial She had three interviews, which included not merely persistent and repetitive direct questions but also grossly leading questions. There is evidence of repeated discussions with her mother, though less frequent than in the case of G Her second interview, which was not played to the jury, contained allegations that serious offences were committed on other complainants which were not recalled by those complainants.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, and standing rather apart from the others, complainant B was only interviewed once, sensible steps were taken by her parents to reduce the likelihood of contamination, and there were no other allegations by her than that of the relatively minor indecency for which the Petitioner was convicted, his pushing his hand into her crotch area over her clothes.

The type of enquiry just described suggests, save possibly in the case of the single conviction relating to B, that if the Children's Evidence complaints are made out they will be of more than peripheral significance.